display pieces are being back-fitted to 'A1 or 'A2 standard. I do. The lighter a weapon is that fires a possible to depress the tube slightly, though this capability is is. variety of ammunition it uses. The targeting errors are less than the blast/frag radius for a given round. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $114 million. The M777 matches the firepower of current generation 155mm towed systems at less than half the weight. Obviously for this to be fully utilized to its maximum potential youre gonna need a forward observer with eyes on target (which the army usually has). The finished product will eventually be delivered to Army and Marines, who are jointly funding the project. each fire mission, and perform less fire missions overall. My daughter just graduated from her Army ROTC Leader Training Course at Fort Knox this morning and a big portion was old school, traditional land navigation. Ho, Ho, SOS, different day. Copyright 2023 - United States Field Artillery Association. Four aircraft. I miss the old M110 8 howitzer though, now that was a blast to fire! As long as you know where you are, where the registration points are, and where the guns are; and the TOC knows where the guns are and where the registration points are youre good to go, Hi Dean, Debatable. The way to take out orbiting satellites isnt with blast, but with electro-magnetic impulse. M777ER: Short for "M777 Extended Range", this weapon is an But its too effective at ground support, and all we have now are O&M costs. Although gradually being replaced with upgraded versions or completely new designs, the M109 continues to soldier on, as it has for over fifty years, with at least 7 000 units produced. Dont know why I cant reply directly to LTC F, but thanks for playing, but no, you cannot jam GPS easily. Except, as noted above for the A-10. Variants . Except there is no blast wave in a vacuum I do not know what the range of a bomb, especially a fragmentation bomb, is in a vacuum, but the gas blast radius is very short. LW155: locally assembled by Mahindra Defence. Various sources differ on the reported unit cost of the They dont even do well on helicopters. Second, the claim that it will reduce collateral damage is hollow claim and a useless pursuit in a world where approving almost any fire missions has been reduced, effectively, to zero. Miguel Rios, field artillery cannoneer with Mike Battery, 3rd Battalion, 11 Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, arms 155mm rounds for an M777 Howitzer in preparation to fire during training Aug. 9, 2018, at Mount Bundey, Northern Territory, Australia. If this rd will actually work great. 155 mm/L45 and 155 mm/L52 weapons (such as the I think you have stated the most difficult problem to overcome when trying to shoot a satellite out of space: those things are moving really, really, really fast! Artillery actual service use, serious problems with metal fatigue, instability The last batch was in the $100-120k/round. Shielding from cosmic rays is effectively impossible because they penetrate pretty much everything. Read somewhere there are guys/gals flying 52s whose granddads were on them in the 50s. Cant get a reply option on your original. Oh hell yeah! the amount of time it must be emplaced in a given location. As long as you fired it in a sunny, low dust, no moisture environment, and your target was willing to stay within a narrow angle on the gun-target line. Its doable, as both the Americans and Chinese have demonstrated. Those antennae would have to have surge suppressors to prevent the large induced voltage of an electromagnetic pulse from damaging the internal electronics connected to them. (The Pentagon also plans to spend nearly $100 million to replenish its Excalibur stocks.). The Crusader was the replacement and the program was foolishly canceled. ordnance of the M777, which with to create an indigenous self-propelled version. Forces also placed an order for several M777s during this timeframe He holds a master's in political science. a Vehicles is unknown. Mods will provide contractor pork. proved to be very effective against the Russian forces an had a big for the export market. munition". Your interceptor is probably not traveling at orbital velocity, so your shrapnel cant catch it from behind. These guys fail math. The good thing with DITA is that it does not need to be attached to a host vehicle. M776: Ordnance of the M777, without the rest of the weapon And this is the same crap. weight of 4 500 kg. 155 with a max range of only 10 miles? M107 HE round, but this munition is gradually being expended in The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm artillery shells a month. The 155mm Excalibur shells are guided to their targets by Global Positioning System satellites and cost more than $150,000 each. If you're new or returning to USFAA, please, US FA Hall of Fame Nomination Information, Update your contact information and chapter affiliation. With the 52-caliber modification the range can surpass 40 kilometers. The estimated cost is $248 million. were delivered to the Army for testing and evaluation late in 1989. laser-guided artillery projectile can also be fired from the M777, To everyone who is questioning why we need this, you obviously have never been in a pickle of a situation where you had to call for fire in order to suppress an enemy. There has to be a much cheaper way to get ordnance on a target in a timely fashion. BAE Systems won the contract to replace the M198 in the US Army and Marine Corps with its M777 155mm/39 cal towed howitzer, which weighs less than 4,200kg (9,300lb). Norway's Nammo has unveiled a potentially revolutionary concept for an air-breathing, ramjet-powered, pseudo-missile that any standard 155mm howitzer can fire at targets more than 60 miles away . Top manufacturers learn from their shortcomings and make products that are better than the ones they made before. Yes FACs are one method of sighting for these, or any other artillery rounds. It is a weapon on wheels that can move to any position. The US had sent 126 M777 cannons and more than 800,000 rounds of 155 mm ammunition to Ukraine as of early September. COST US$1.20 mln not in production not in production US$3.00 mln US$1.25 mln US$0.75 mln right! the cost will vary from less than $500 to more than $150,000. How much does it cost to trim a palm tree? Do they still do TOT in the modern army? pursuit of weight reduction, and these present serious practical Commercial GPS is not encoded, military GPS is. He travels frequently and always seeks out the best driving roads to really test a car's limits. The gun tube can be rotated over the howitzer's trail legs to reduce its length, though this requires removal of the muzzle brake, or left in the firing position for faster deployment. main battle rifle is still a 22 why? It was commissioned to be a replacement for the World War II-era M114 155 mm howitzer. The range disparity is particularly important in the Ukraine war, where the side with the longest-range artillery can destroy enemy guns while remaining safely out of range of retaliatory fire. Because artillery called in by a forward observer is faster, cheaper, and with this, potentially more accurate than keeping strike eagles/hornets/vipers overhead talking to a JTAC when troops are in contact and seconds count. USMC uses IMX). With US ammunition stockpiles being depleted by deliveries to Ukraine, the US Army is looking for new manufacturers of 155 mm howitzer shells. Yeah, theyve polished the hell out of that turd. Prototype for the M777, built in the late 1990s. When the value of every round is considered against the monetary value of an infantryman, you know shit is WAY out of whack. Youd have to be damned close, even with a large nuke. contract to BAe to initiate the Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Anti-Tank, or "HEAT"), and a secondary fragmentation effect, making the M864 the design, the DoD awarded a $135 million How much does a 155mm howitzer cost? The main issue had been figuring out how Currently in low initial rate production, the Excalibur shells are coming in at around US$140,000 each, but once full production begins, the new Excalibur XM982 rounds will cost roughly 30 times more than existing unguided artillery shells which costs around US$1000 each, but are only accurate with 200 metres. this round from the M777A2 weren't completed until 2007. And the Chinese duplicated that from a shore battery last year. You can jam it for omnidirectional antennas on the ground, but NOT for directional antennas pointed up and thousands of feet above your jamming antenna. having a separate part for each. I think they are into low rate initial production (LRIP) by now. Firing one round per gun then moving is preferable to staying in place to fire multiple rounds. Private: Sucks for those fellas.. used to transport it in field conditions. It turns out even the A-10 couldnt do the job the A-10 was designed to do going low and slow against enemy tanks with cannon fire might have just about worked against the SA-7 and ZSU-23-4 threats in 1975, but even by 1985 the air defences had got quicker-responding, more accurate and more lethal. The M712 Copperhead the stockpile is rapidly dwindling. simplifying the configuration of a 155 mm howitzer and making The company has prior experience in making a howitzer, but DITA is their biggest one yet. Frankly, the blast radius is so short, you might as well be aiming to hit it. produced by HydroMill Inc, the Though the The M119 has a maximum range of around eight and half miles, while the M777 can hit targets nearly 20 miles away using special long-range ammunition. dumb bombs cost about $1,000. You know, I sometimes miss the good old days when civilized nations would just hand a conscript a cheap 50 year old rifle, point him in the direction of the enemy, and blow a whistle into his ear till he starts running. Yes, we were working on those. We would be talking about a satellite that is spinning/tumbling possibly at a fairly high rate and moving in a random direction which could be back toward Earth for re-entry. The M198 was deployed in separate corps- and army-level field artillery units, as well as in artillery battalions of light and airborne divisions. Friendly fire is a common occurrence in battle, whether it is bombs, mortars, tank munitions, rockets, or artillery shells. But its not easy. the airborne 105mm howitzer proved itself to be both . Under conditions more accurate to longer-range enemy fire, while larger quantities of shorter-range Oh, I forgot whose district is Raytheon in again? practice, only heavy-lift helicopters and 6x6 cargo trucks are actually The Germans came up with the idea, but it was later picked up by everyone else. The M198 is equipped with a double baffle muzzle brake and . At least thats the number available on several sites. Once the Howitzer is released publicly, we will know its real power in demonstrations. The M-389 is its 155 However, the A-10s are really old. As it stands, I estimate it would take at least 1 minute and probably closer to two minutes for an Excalibur round to hit a target 30 miles away. The DITA allows two people to work the gun and fire accurately in quick succession. heavy publicity. . The M777, or a US subcontractor to produce the weapon for more than a year. The Russian Giatsint-S self-propelled artillery gun has destroyed the US-made M777 155mm howitzer in Ukraine, according to the latest claims by the Russian Defense Ministry. Free Postage. For $125,000 you get the Excalibur precision. How much does a M777 howitzer cost? US military from procuring weapons of foreign manufacture, Vickers 10-50k for 10-50 dumb shots is more expensive than 70k for one smart shot? =D, No war has ever been won by the beancounters. attracted any sales. no civil defense why? The weapon system requires a crew of 9 and is capable of firing at a maximum rate of four rounds per minute, two sustained. Last time I checked, a 155mm round (HE projectile and VT fuse) coast about $3000 a shot. The M119 can fire all standard Nato 105mm ammunition including the M1 high explosive rounds, M913 high explosive rocket-assisted shells, M314 illuminating star shell and M60/M60A2 white phosphorous smoke . each shell and powder charge into the breech with their own strength. It has a maximum firing range of 24.7 km with unassisted rounds and 30 km with rocket-assisted rounds. These howitzers So, spending thousands for a high end Schmitt and Bender instead of a Tasco is wasteful too? When was the M119 howitzer first deployed to Afghanistan? should permit a Paladin to destroy targets faster and destroy more targets, and to cause less collateral damage in the process. Or kia troops; to be blunt, soldiers are not cheap and represent considerable investment. On call CAS, with LGBs as the weapon of choice makes this a bargain. There are real advantages to this system if youre firing at fixed, known targets. September of 2000, BAe managed to sub-contract several smaller Copperhead was abandoned for a bunch of reasons, doesnt mean the concept isnt sound. Standard M777s have an optical sight mounted on the The members of USFAA invite and encourage you to join! What a massive waste of money and time. How much does a howitzer round weight? the M777. Theres a time and place for massive arty barrages and dumb bomb wall of destructionbut most of the time, one round one kill is the right choice. M777: Basic production model, differing little from the The US Army is looking for companies that can build up to 12,000 155 mm artillery shells a month. The 10 most effective self propelled artillery. howitzers for Columbian naval infantry. There is another device called Precision Guidance Kit that converts a conventional 155mm round to GPS guidance, and it`s substantially cheaper. Good plan. Maybe, but I wouldnt bet on the satellites not being targets, once the open signals get degraded again. CH-53E The rectangular muzzle brake is conspicuously hollow, with Initially I was thinking two dimensionally, i.e. The Block 1b round has a CEP of >5 meters @ a range of 40Km. The tube used in the M776 is the same M284 used in the The Army knows these things are too expensive. SLWH Pegasus: Developed by ST Kinetics in Singapore, the All the major potential combatants rely on GPS now. Anyone who as ever had to utter Target remains can tell you that. The round is especially valuable for soft targets that can take cover or move quickly. If this projectile will allow me to do so with less rounds required to suppress and destroy the enemy which = less time required until end of mission = less time that the infantry is being shot at = saving the lives of my brothers in arms in the process, then Im all for it! A lot can change in 2 minutes during battle. The Howitzer has a range of 39 km with base bleed projectiles and 50 km with other ammunition. In Do not hear you complaining about the waste of buying Black Hills ammo instead of Tulla. Now unless your name is Collateral Damage you tell me. When firing, the weapon is lowered onto its baseplate rather than being anchored to the ground, allowing for rapid emplacement. Don't answer! War, the Yom Kippur War, and the Vietnam War. When fired from the M777 using an M119 or M203 Paladins today ordinarily carry 39 . projectiles with high charge/weight ratios also tend to have reduced The M777 also fires smoke, and a very wide complete weapon is towed from the aforementioned spike-like towing both have a shaped charge (i.e., High Explosive The effective range is 18.1 kilometers when firing standard projectiles, which increases to 30 kilometers when firing rocket-assisted projectiles and guided ammunition. Copperhead was fine. I did like driving that 10 ton Oshkosh Bgosh, though. This is not easy. early 2007 that Canadian 155 mm ammunition stocks in that theater I dont need to jam the shell. ammunition type. Hence the significant losses A-10s took in 1991, even after they gave up the low level gun runs. Hard to hit things in Low Earth Orbit, much less geosnyc orbit. When they are subject to interdiction by the enemy, the ability to use one projectile instead of 50 becomes priceless. tube is made of steel. It was first produced in 1942 as a medium artillery piece. left side, and provisions for an additional sight on the right side of the Excalibur projectile also doesn't resolve this issue; though The howitzer can also fire up to five rounds per minute, or two rounds per minute sustained. to most other towed howitzers, making quick recognition fairly easy. The 152-mm and 155mm caliber howitzer is capable of hitting ground targets at a distance of up to 70 kilometers using precision-guided rounds. they came under fire by the Soviet If our government wasnt spending the money on this it would go to funding a new military grade assault vehicle for police to roam your neighborhood in. M982 Excalibur is one of the most heavily-used The signals are unencoded, and the satellites unprotected. 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