Associate Professor, Biology Division of Natural Science and Math Western Oregon University Monmouth, OR 97361 E-mail: habermk@wou.edu Phone: (503)838-8478 EDUCATION 1991 - 1998 Ph.D., 1998, University of California, Santa Barbara. So thats moving slowly. Does it make me fame and fortune? No, no. So, you know, those are individual choices for sure. I mean it didnt have to be me. And then youre isolated also from people within the group because there are certain things that are taboo to talk about. New information found for Karen Haberman. Yoga. Thank you. Thank you, Karen Rain, and Gregor Maehle. You can still love him, but it doesnt mean that you have to venerate him or say that he was somebody that he wasnt in public terms. Karen Rain: Abuse in Ashtanga Yoga. Its more like Indian anti-colonial activists in the 1920s and 1930s wanted to indigenize physical culture influences from Europe. And thats a really good thing. I talked to her about the process of projection, about idealizing a person, about giving up ones power, hypnotizing oneself into beliefs and finally about taking self-responsibility. In the last 24 hours I have hear from several sides that the video showing KP Jois sexually assaulting and adjusting violently students has been taken down several times by petitions of Jois followers. And I think thats really all important to say, but it actually hasnt gone very well for me with these places. And then thats what gets exported to the world is the notion that Joiss system is ancient or that it goes back to Patanjali, or something like that when theres no evidence for that at all. Sat: The Sanskrit Term for "The Real Deal" chad. Jubilee Cooke is one of the women who gave testimony and she was one of one of the women who was there for eight months. I have lots of friends in the Ashtanga Yoga world. For further information, such as about my researchLink opens in a new window and a CVLink opens in a new window, please visit my personal websiteLink opens in a new window. Also lets not BS about history and philosophy either because its becoming increasingly clear and I want to cite my colleagues Theodore Wildcroft here for coming up with this analogy its becoming increasingly clear that Yoga teachers are not physiotherapists. We use cookies to give you the best online experience. And I would say that anybody in the Ashtanga world who calls me an opportunist should really ask themselves the question, If you knew about this, where was your book? She said to me, What you say sounds much too difficult and tiring. Why didnt you go to a journalist? Karen Rain, 56. And also so earth shattering is that you know he doesnt phrase it this way but the research as he lays it out basically says what we have believed about the modern posture, about the modern yoga movement is mostly deceptive. Lived In Amherst MA, Mill Valley CA. Still I was both sexually assaulted and violently adjusted by Jois on his visits to the States, as I detailed in Matthews article. They are watching sexual assault taking place like before their own eyes and theyre saying, Oh, we dont know whats happening. The evidence was clear. Karen Haberman. If you are deceived about why you are in a place, about what is going to offer you, then youve really already had your agency taken away. I will address you, Karen, now directly and will get Matthew to forward you my response. That response, which is very common and I would say, you know, its so common, it shouldnt be shameful. Right. What did we overlook? 4 Ditonton. Hi there, just wanted to mention, I enjoyed this post. '', '' ..? Ive really enjoyed talking to you and Im really super appreciative of the work youre doing. There was like five likes to it. This is true. It happens to people who arent educated at all. I lay in bed for a long time and reflected, a process that continued through the night and in half daze this morning when reading the rest. Thats like a bad apple and a whole bunch of people saying, No, this is great. Yeah. 2 Ditonton. I have friends who Ive tried to talking about your work with both here and in Europe and there has been this view that youre, this opportunist, youre your swooping in on this thing just to elevate your own work and your own, your own profile, and Ive always gone cross-eyed when thats come up. Ive spent two years interviewing Karen Rain. Karen Rain Speaks About Pattabhi Jois and Recovering from Sexual and Spiritual Abuse. Its an invention. View Public Record Results ✓ Addresses. Somehow, I thought the guru knows better and knows my body better than I (where did I get that idea from?) Right. Every morning that I was there in Mysore, I saw three other women who, who got assaulted in those three postures. You know, there are very few, I would imagine in North America and Europe, yoga teachers who are cranking people today the way that Jois cranked people in his day. Whats judgmental or perhaps the better word is just inept, is to continue to keep your head in the sand about what the person that you love did to people. The cover-up has to stop and what has been done has to be owned. Why shouldnt their sexuality somehow be included in that? Id even say his own fans arent responsible for him deceiving them! And often that would happen within the of adjustments. Some of our audience is definitely going to be familiar with the names in terms of that you just mentioned, but theres, theres probably a yogic un-literate audience, right, that is listening too, so can you put Ashtanga on the map and then put Pattabhi Jois in relationship to Ashtanga on the map in that? In both cults that I was a recruited into, they presented themselves as, other than what they actually were. There were people who would say that. But theres something plausible about it. He met the person who many consider to be the father of modern yoga Tirumalai Krishnamacharya, when he was about 12 years old. And the Ashtanga/Jois form has spawned into numerous side forms, right? Like hes doing an amazing amount of public vulnerable, accountability work. But this feeling that people are getting individual attention and that when the teacher comes around and pays them that close attention. And so I just was terrified of the implications of what I was hearing and I resisted it for a long time actually. Why arent we talking about that more? She is also a survivor of a cult and sexual assault, who speaks truth to power. So I mean, okay. I hate that phrase, but I think theres theres nothing to have been done about it. Make a life-giving gesture And teachers like you and Monica Gauci and others are much more deserving of the label Ashtanga (8 limbed) Yoga teachers. How can I make this up to her? This is hardcore. And I think I really have the work of Alexandra Stein to thank for that because she uses this basic so just a caveat here, when we talk about the psychology of person whos victimized by a cult, its not to say that, you know, there was something inside them that made them more vulnerable. Prior to that, I was a Hausdorff Postdoc at the Hausdorff Center for MathematicsLink opens in a new window at the University of Bonn and a member of Prof Karl-Theodor SturmLink opens in a new windows group on Stochastic and Geometric Analysis at the Institute for Applied MathematicsLink opens in a new window. I want to contribute to your healing by providing a safe space in which you can come forward and express all this. Recently, Karen and LaRhonda Steele have founded the duo "The Spirit of Freedom" which showcases the songs of the Civil Rights Movement and their relevance to then and now. In my case, it was, in my case, it was Michael Roach of the Asian Classics Institute or Charles Anderson at Endeavor Academy. Its not like its not going to happen. Theyre supposed to be concentrating on their breath or theres even eye positions that people are supposed to take. 9:59. I have forgiven Sharath long ago. So theres tools in there and the tools are accompanied by personal essay questions for review. I think its a great direction forward. If youve been to a Vinyasa class, you are probably benefiting from Joiss legacy if youve been in a class where rhythmic breathing has been timed with movement in some sort of coordinated way thats all coming from Jois. After years of healing my knees came good and I have a well-going daily Ashtanga practice 20 years on. What all of the 16 women who gave their testimony for my book I describe is that you know, they werent people to him. And it worked. Within the Ashtanga world in general, what reforms do movements do you see happening and what, what gives you a sense of hope? I found them very valuable and will continue to read all. (Page 2) Read more. 1993. . It was the students who said these things about him. You dont know, I dont know whats going on in Pattabhi Joiss head. But anyway, their list of the things that you can do is all laid out for you. She had disappeared! I'd also heard about the amazing and impressive Karen Haberman, and tried to find out why she'd left the scene. Find Karen's age, current and past home addresses, mobile phone numbers, email addresses, and known relatives. I shared my knee problem with Sharath Jois (then R. Sharath) and asked to be adjusted gently or not at all. Karen lived in 1974, at address, Wisconsin. The Debates in Post-Development and Degrowth Journal, published by Tvergastein, is an academic journal dealing with debates and works focused on advancing postdevelopment & degrowth thought. People asked for like a decade. So youre basically practicing independently and then the teacher comes around and adjust you or, quote-unquote assists you. Opportunistic. And as far as like being judgmental goes, I mean, well, asking for basic justice and respect isnt judgmental. But at the same time, I dont think I wouldve gotten the book contract without that. Haberman retweeted a New York Times report from Friday that linked Florida officials, including the governor, to the "delayed" evacuation in Lee County one day before the hurricane made landfall . So its really, its really complicated. The network of sources that I began to develop began to send me this cascade of information. And you know, she laid out this five point, this is how my participation in this organization is complicit with this abuse history and here are the five things that Im going to do now in my classes to make sure that I dont carry any of those impacts on. 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